Brad J. Murray ([info]halfjack) wrote,
2003-05-07 22:31:00
Okay, you know about the SCA, right? You also know about the the RCMP? Well tonight a friend of mine who heartily enjoys fighting in the SCA came over after an event they just held with the RCMP. It turns out that for the past few years our local contingent of RCMP have been doing riot control training with the local SCA contingent as antagonists. That's right, they all armour up and beat each other with sticks. Apparently this is the biggest turnout event for the local SCA chapter ever---nothing else draws in remotely the same crowd as the opportunity to kick local cops in the nuts. The police in turn very much appreciate the chance to get beat up a lot by people with vastly more experience in the beating up with sticks department.

I sincerely believe they ought to sell tickets to this.

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[info]srl

May 8 2003, 06:56:51 UTC 9 years ago

Oh god. Thank you. :) And do post pictures if you find any.

[info]halfjack

May 8 2003, 08:12:21 UTC 9 years ago

Sadly, although I expect to have pictures shortly I cannot publish them as this is RCMP tactical training and they don't want their tactics to slip out through some ill-considered photos on the intarweb. I will be happy to describe them to you in ways that release no dangerous information, or perhaps re-draw them with MS-Paint.

[info]srl

May 8 2003, 09:10:09 UTC 9 years ago

Describe away. :)

[info]halfjack

May 8 2003, 09:23:50 UTC 9 years ago

Well, you recall the end of Monty Python and the Holy Grail? Picture that, except the police are in full riot gear (heavy armour, lexan shields, 4 foot riot batons), angry dogs are present, and the knights are fighting back. :) It's very surreal. If the RCMP adopts it as an official program then they will be commissioning armour for regular antagonists in future traing, but right now it's basically an unruly medieval mob complete with SCA style weapons bonking riot police about.

Tim, my friend who was involved, was taking pictures from the middle of the melee and was so cheerful and enthusiastic that get got kicked in the jewels on at least one occasions. Thankfully, a rigid cup is standard for SCA events.

They had a few different scenarios. One was a passive resistance one, which was just a bunch of knights standing around refusing to move while police forcibly moved them. Another was an unruly mob scenario, where the moc was encouraged to throw things at the police and throw 35% force blows and accept hits as "out of action". Another was an amusing "ringleader snatch" which had the RCMP attempting to forcibly detain one of the best fighters in the Lions Gate barony while he was being defended by the rest of the mob. Finally, there was a full force, take no hits riot with smoke grenades and dogs. People were encouraged not to be careful with the dogs and not with the RCMP.

All in all, I think the only way to truly appreciate it is to have been there and I wasn't. :( I am hoping, however, that the top brass thinks it's a good idea and keeps it up. Apparently the SCA is pretty creative tactically and posed a few substantial problems for the RCMP to come up with a tactical response to. A little dose of nearly real life for their otherwise largely theoretical training.

[info]halfjack

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[info]mendel

May 9 2003, 07:04:27 UTC 9 years ago

I'd prefer MS Paint, since you offered.

[info]jacomothefool

May 8 2003, 08:25:20 UTC 9 years ago

Oh wicked cool This might just get me interested in fighting again tee hee

[info]rectangularcat

May 8 2003, 10:00:13 UTC 9 years ago

Ok, I HAVE to know more about this event... who puts it on? how can I be there for next year?

I guess hanging out with the fencers has its disadvantages... Pout, how come all the good events aren't published?

I got here though a comment of [info]damned_colonial in case you're wondering. I'm from Vancouver also.

[info]halfjack

May 8 2003, 10:03:16 UTC 9 years ago

I guess your best bet would be to link up with the Lions Gate barony here in Vancouver, as they seem to be the ones that get to play. I'm not sure how to do that, though, as I'm not involved directly in the SCA myself.

[info]much_ado

May 8 2003, 10:29:28 UTC 9 years ago

start here:

http://www.antir.sca.org

you can find the barony's contact info from the kingdom page, somewhere.

[info]much_ado

May 8 2003, 10:38:14 UTC 9 years ago

replying to my own post :)

lionsgate's website:

http://www.lionsgate.antir.sca.org/

[info]rectangularcat

May 8 2003, 18:14:03 UTC 9 years ago

Re: replying to my own post :)

Thanks [info]much_ado, our web sites are pretty terrible... if only we had [info]cortejo out here...

I do receive the Lionsgate newsletter - this is something that wasn't published. Guess I'm not part of the good old boys network.

I mean to introduce myself in your LJ when I friended you but some technicalities prevented me. Hi, I'm Mona!

[info]rectangularcat

May 8 2003, 10:39:51 UTC 9 years ago

I'm part of that barony, so I figure I will have to find someone who is involved in heavy fighting which is easy enough. Thanks for posting about it!

[info]halfjack

May 8 2003, 10:44:35 UTC 9 years ago

Ah, in that case, link up with Tim Dyke (Tirian the Blue) or Oak at the next event and they will be able to tell you more. I expect the entire MacBean clan is there every year, so get anywhere near their tent and you are pretty much in.

[info]halfjack

May 8 2003, 10:47:17 UTC 9 years ago

McBeign, rather.

[info]rectangularcat

9 years ago

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[info]jacomothefool

May 8 2003, 11:43:23 UTC 9 years ago

"Vancouver"??!! Ah nuts! A little too distant for me =+(

[info]fairydarkfire

May 10 2003, 07:47:06 UTC 9 years ago

Vancouver

Yes Jacomo thats what I thought too :(

[info]icedrake

May 24 2003, 12:17:43 UTC 9 years ago

This is an astonishingly small world, y'know...

[info]rectangularcat

May 24 2003, 15:34:04 UTC 9 years ago

Umm, yeah what are you doing here?

[info]icedrake

May 24 2003, 19:54:55 UTC 9 years ago

Just visitin' :)
I think I'll stop highjacking halfjack's LJ now though. We can continue this in yours.

[info]lyndamae

May 9 2003, 11:51:24 UTC 9 years ago

I think this could be a great money making event ....think how much some folks would PAY for the opportunity.

Anonymous

May 21 2003, 14:48:01 UTC 9 years ago

I was there..

Not the recent one mentioned, but one previous to it. The reason why it wasn't in the North Wind (Lions Gate's newsletter) was that it was invite only. Mostly heavies and a few support.

The previous one, the one I went to, was tons of fun. :) The police were courteous, and it was interesting to watch what they were doing.

Lady Mimick
Barony of Lions Gate, Principality of Tir Righ, An Tir

Anonymous

May 28 2003, 07:47:59 UTC 9 years ago

*whimpers*

I wanna Play! Hmm... i wonder if we could convince the LAPD and/or SDPD to play with us down here...

Lonan
St Artemas, Calafia, Caid

Anonymous

October 29 2003, 17:14:07 UTC 8 years ago

tatonka V

Tatonka V, the event to which you refer was indeed a lot of fun. I should correct some misconceptions, as I was there to enjoy it all. The cops were very courteous, and treated us well- as we did for them. There was a lot of unruly mob stuff, but almost no opportunity to hit them with anything but thrown weapons. apparently, there was supposed to be, but one of them got injured- accidentally in a fall- and they called it off, saying that they had "met their objectives". We had a very stern talk about how to behave, how not to single them out, and specifically how not to hit them. Nut-kicking was not allowed. We were pretty good about it. the dogs only ever touched a proper handler, and only Jarl Hwolf and Sir Oak (now the prince) were ever manhandled by them- in a very staged situation. The draw was not bad for a midweek midday, but to say it was huge is a gross exaggeration. The very inexperienced trainees were from all over the province- not local, and it was a lot of fun to see the fear in their faces. They obviously believed we were crazies. Go figure. A few pics are posted on the Lions Gate site, and some more at www.inkvison.com. Also, rapier folk could have easily been involve din the early, rioting-and-throwing-things stage.
Dalibor Krivoklatsky.
ps: Not too sure, but i think Tirain was the only Mc Beign there that day.

Anonymous

October 29 2003, 17:14:31 UTC 8 years ago

tatonka V

Tatonka V, the event to which you refer was indeed a lot of fun. I should correct some misconceptions, as I was there to enjoy it all. The cops were very courteous, and treated us well- as we did for them. There was a lot of unruly mob stuff, but almost no opportunity to hit them with anything but thrown weapons. apparently, there was supposed to be, but one of them got injured- accidentally in a fall- and they called it off, saying that they had "met their objectives". We had a very stern talk about how to behave, how not to single them out, and specifically how not to hit them. Nut-kicking was not allowed. We were pretty good about it. the dogs only ever touched a proper handler, and only Jarl Hwolf and Sir Oak (now the prince) were ever manhandled by them- in a very staged situation. The draw was not bad for a midweek midday, but to say it was huge is a gross exaggeration. The very inexperienced trainees were from all over the province- not local, and it was a lot of fun to see the fear in their faces. They obviously believed we were crazies. Go figure. A few pics are posted on the Lions Gate site, and some more at www.inkvison.com. Also, rapier folk could have easily been involve din the early, rioting-and-throwing-things stage.
Dalibor Krivoklatsky.
ps: Not too sure, but i think Tirain was the only Mc Beign there that day.

Anonymous

January 27 2005, 08:42:05 UTC 7 years ago

Re: tatonka V

try http://www.inkvision.com/tatonka/ for pics of tatonka V... I have many rolls more - one of these days I will get around to developing them ;-)

Paula
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